i want -- brings to us exactly what i wanted to ask you, bill sammon. the story in the "washington post," for folks who didn't get a chance to read it is khalid sheikh mohammed who was waterboarded 183 times, then, became a kind of professor, he engaged in what were called terrorist tutorials and using a chalk board, to explain to u.s. intelligence officers exactly the structure of al qaeda, how it worked, and what they were planning, and the cia inspectors report does not come to a conclusion about whether or not it was the waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation techniques, that changed how they -- khalid sheikh mohammed's mind and vice president cheney left no doubt that is exactly what changed his mind. >> at some point common sense enters into this and before he was water boarded he was very resistant and after he was waterboarded he is singing like a canary and giving tutorials and became a human rolodex of information about al qaeda. and i think the really crucial thing here, and i think what cheney was essentially saying is that president